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Hi Ftisne,
This is an interesting question and like most answers to poker questions, it depends.
I'd say that it depends on how you're reading your opponents and also, how they are reading you. This is because if an opponent is reading your current style correctly and can, for example, make those long calls against your shoves, then you must account for his new range and counter it by changing your range. When two players are very strong and familiar with each other, then those players are not going to have much of an edge against each other and as a result, wont necessarily be able to find opportunities where they are guaranteed a 0.5% profit (min-edge). Thus, I suppose one could make an argument that the min-edge should be decreased for higher buy-ins.
It is important to note that this is not always the case. I never considered choosing my min-edge off my buy-in and instead, I choose it off of my opponents predicted range and my experience with that player. Another major factor is how big your stack is compared to the blinds. If you have to be playing very fast, but have a tight image, then maybe you can shove in a promising situation with little or no edge. I suppose in general, ranges get closer and closer to the optimal as buy-ins get higher and then min-edge has to go down for players to stay in a strong, aggressive game, however, I still recommend looking at other hands hands that are 'near' your hand's EV for any given situation. Not only does this help improve your game for future situations, but it can give you a perspective on the hand that you didn't previously have. This is precisely why we introduced a bubble-range in our ICM Applicator.
Topics like this are excellent questions that don't have any short explanation. To help our users grasp the impact of ICMs on such concepts we are working on building an extensive library of SNG articles. If there any suggestions on articles that ought to be included, please let us know.
I hope this helps!
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| Thanks for your answer... It was interesting to read... Of course 'it depends' but I guess you are right when you say that we must adapt min edge with players, it's clever and I'll try to do it.. It's a good idea to post good articles concerning ICM... ICM can be complex but it's very interesting... Another subject very interesting for could be ... On which calling ranges you put your opponent depending on stack sizes / blinds levels / loose-average-tight opponents. Have a nice day Frederic in Paris France
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| THANKS SHEETS UR THE BEST. NEVER KNOWN ABOUT ANY OF THIS IF IT WERENT FOR YOU. MY FAMILY AND I THANKYOU FOR YOUR GENEROUS CONTRIBUTIONS
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| Hello Everyone, I am new to the concept of ICM and look forward to learning more. My first question is what are the steps in learning your opponents range? How many hands should you see before you believe you have a feel for their range? Take Care, Pokerstudent
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Hi Pokerstudent,
The first step towards putting opponents on specific hand ranges is experience. It really takes quite a few hands to start correctly identifying the types of situations that you will commonly find yourself in. Furthermore, to predict some non-generic opponent's hand range requires seeing a number of hands that they have played in a variety of different situations.
Spend some time playing with the ICM tools available here and you will start to recognize certain situations where ICM play is critical. The understanding of these situations is what gives pros an edge when they approach the bubble.
Hope that helps!
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